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		<title>third hymn EP</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 10:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Released today.</p> <p>Good Old Church Songs III.</p> <p></p> ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Released today.</p>
<p><a href="http://dalecampbell.bandcamp.com/album/good-old-church-songs-iii">Good Old Church Songs III.</a></p>
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		<title>omnipotence and kenosis &#8211; again</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 23:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>To put a kenotic theological spin on Mike Reid and Allen Shamblin&#8217;s song, &#8221;I Can&#8217;t Make You Love Me [if you don't]&#8220;, popularised by Bonnie Raitt&#8217;s rendition of it, the Christian vision of the crucified God hears this wounded lament to humanity: &#8220;I could make you love me, but I won&#8217;t.&#8221;</p> ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To put a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenosis">kenotic</a> theological spin on Mike Reid and Allen Shamblin&#8217;s <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Can't_Make_You_Love_Me">song</a>, &#8221;I Can&#8217;t Make You Love Me [if you don't]&#8220;, popularised by Bonnie Raitt&#8217;s rendition of it, the Christian vision of the crucified God hears this wounded lament to humanity: &#8220;I could make you love me, but I won&#8217;t.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>when any enemy will do</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2012 11:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>The really sad thing about blaming &#8220;religion&#8221; for all hostility and violence to gay people is that it leaves the real causes (i.e. fear and insecurity) unexposed, and the hostility and violence continues&#8230;</p> ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The really sad thing about blaming &#8220;religion&#8221; for all hostility and violence to gay people is that it leaves the real causes (i.e. fear and insecurity) unexposed, and the hostility and violence continues&#8230;</p>
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		<title>fruitful wordle</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 11:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>my blog &#8211; run through &#8216;wordle&#8217;</p> <p></p> ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my blog &#8211; run through &#8216;wordle&#8217;</p>
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		<title>a different zion(ism)</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 11:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Stephen Sizer is in NZ.  He preached this past Sunday at our church, and is doing a seminar called &#8220;7 Biblical Responses to Popular Zionist Assumptions&#8221; tomorrow night.  It&#8217;s been good revisiting the whole Zionism issue again, and refreshing my understanding of the issue.</p> <p>The Zionists are concerned to demonstrate that God will not &#8216;forget his people Israel&#8217;, and that <span style="color:#777"> . . . &#8594; Read More: <a href="http://www.fruitfulfaith.net/2012/05/a-different-zionism/">a different zion(ism)</a></span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.stephensizer.com/">Stephen</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Sizer">Sizer</a> is in NZ.  He preached this past Sunday at our church, and is doing a seminar called &#8220;7 Biblical Responses to Popular Zionist Assumptions&#8221; tomorrow night.  It&#8217;s been good revisiting the whole Zionism issue again, and refreshing my understanding of the issue.</p>
<p>The Zionists are concerned to demonstrate that God will not &#8216;forget his people Israel&#8217;, and that we should not either. For them, God&#8217;s faithfulness to Israel (including his modern day restoration of them back to their ancestral land) should be accompanied by our support of Israel &#8211; theologically, financially &amp; politically.  My understanding, however, is that the New Covenant inaugurated by Jesus exceeds and eclipses all (not some) aspects of the Old Covenant.  The types and shadows of Israelite religion (prophet, priest and king, law, land/&#8217;inheritance&#8217; and temple) reach their climax and fulfillment in Jesus, who is the final Prophet, the High Priest, the King of kings; and in the Law of Christ (&#8216;love&#8217;), the Inheritance of the entire Earth, and in Christ the new Temple.  In short: God keeps God&#8217;s promises in God&#8217;s way, and he has chosen to keep them in and through Christ.  God has been faithful to his own purposes for humanity (including Israel) and creation in and through his self-giving, self-donating, loving act in and through Christ.  Nothing more is needed for God to demonstrate his faithfulness.  Christ is enough.  As Paul says (2 Corinthians 1:20), &#8220;For as many as are the promises of God, in Him they are yes.&#8221;</p>
<p>There is one response I want to address, and it is the complaint of &#8216;over-spiritualising&#8217; God&#8217;s promises.  These people are unhappy with an understanding in which all of the tangible, here-and-now promises of God are &#8216;spiritualised away&#8217;.  Here, I&#8217;d want to point out that it is Christ <em>and his people, the Church</em> which fulfill the promises.  It&#8217;s just that the aspects (prophet, priest, etc.) are lower-case, post-Christ versions of their ultimate fulfillment in and through Him.  There are prophets in the Church, and we still have a priestly calling to the world, to bring his kingdom.  We are the &#8216;living stones&#8217; of the new Temple.  And the law of Love is quite literally the most down-to-earth thing you could imagine, to be lived out in the entire earth.  Only in a radical dualistic framework would &#8216;spiritualising&#8217; something make it less relevant for physical, &#8216;earthy&#8217; things.</p>
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		<title>evolution discussion on rhema</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 07:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>I was pleased to be asked along with Dr. Graeme Finlay (Senior Lecturer in the Auckland Cancer Society Research Centre &#38; Molecular Medicine &#38; Pathology in the School of Medical Sciences at Auckland University) to take part in a talk-back show on Evolution and Christianity today.  I had to laugh when Graeme and the host Pat called me a theologian; last I checked, a <span style="color:#777"> . . . &#8594; Read More: <a href="http://www.fruitfulfaith.net/2012/05/evolution-discussion-on-rhema/">evolution discussion on rhema</a></span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was pleased to be asked along with <a href="http://www.fmhs.auckland.ac.nz/sms/staffct/staff_details.aspx?staffID=6766696E303130">Dr. Graeme Finlay</a> (Senior Lecturer in the Auckland Cancer Society Research Centre &amp; Molecular Medicine &amp; Pathology in the School of Medical Sciences at Auckland University) to take part in a talk-back show on Evolution and Christianity today.  I had to laugh when Graeme and the host <a href="http://patbrittenden.com/">Pat</a> called me a theologian; last I checked, a lowly undergraduate degree in theology doth not maketh one a theologian <img src='http://www.fruitfulfaith.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  The audio is <a href="http://www.rhema.co.nz/index.php?option=com_k2&amp;view=item&amp;id=3703:evolution-discussion&amp;Itemid=16">here</a> for any interested in our conversation.</p>
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		<title>Breakfast</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2012 20:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>With Damian of damian.peterson.net.nz and Ian of authorofconfusion.wordpress.com</p> <p> </p> ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With Damian of damian.peterson.net.nz and Ian of authorofconfusion.wordpress.com</p>
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		<title>omnipotence and kenosis</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2012 00:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>From (before) Epicurus through to modern voices, there have been those who question that God can be both all-powerful and all-loving or all-good.  (&#8220;Because evil continues to exist, God is either not powerful enough to end it, or not good enough to want to end it.&#8221;)</p> <p>Leaving to one side the interesting discussion about how we can know what &#8216;good&#8217; <span style="color:#777"> . . . &#8594; Read More: <a href="http://www.fruitfulfaith.net/2012/03/omnipotence-kenosis/">omnipotence and kenosis</a></span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From (before) Epicurus through to modern voices, there have been those who question that God can be both all-powerful and all-loving or all-good.  (&#8220;Because evil continues to exist, God is either not powerful enough to end it, or not good enough to want to end it.&#8221;)</p>
<p>Leaving to one side the interesting discussion about how we can know what &#8216;good&#8217; means or how God&#8217;s goodness might be reconciled with evil in the world, let us assume a) that our notion of &#8216;good&#8217; is trustworthy enough for our complaints about evil to be accurate, and b) that God indeed has &#8216;good&#8217; intentions for the world, including the cesation of evil.  This allows us to focus on the question of how to reconcile God&#8217;s alleged omnipotence (all-power) and the (assumed) reality of evil.</p>
<p>It is quite a simple matter, I am convinced.  God&#8217;s omnipotence is retained, but must be appropriately conceived.  For me there are two extremes on a spectrum of understanding the amount and nature of God&#8217;s power.</p>
<p>At one end, you have a manipulative, rapist, one-for-one, tit-for-tat, view of power, which has been called &#8216;omni-causality&#8217;.  Imagine a controller at a control board with an unimaginably high numbers of switches, sliders and knobs, with labels reading everything from &#8216;miscarriage&#8217; to &#8216;miracle&#8217;, from &#8216;germination&#8217; to &#8216;genocide&#8217;.  Everything that happens is not only willed by God, but empowered by God.  Yikes.  Interestingly, this is the kind of control I think some people want God to have over creation, only minus the &#8216;bad&#8217; phenomena.  So (as C.S. Lewis famously wrote) &#8220;<em>a wooden beam became soft as grass when it was used as a weapon, and the air refused to obey me if I attempted to set up in it the sound waves that carry lies or insults</em>&#8220;, etc.  This would be a very suspect and strange world.</p>
<p>At the other end, you have a distant, detached and disinterested deity, whose only use of power was perhaps to create the world according to some natural laws.  Imagine a watchmaker who winds up the clock springs and then goes on holiday.  Perhaps able to do something about evil, but not willing or interested enough do what he is able to.</p>
<p>There is a lot of space between these two ends of the spectrum.  Inbetween an overly active rapist and an overly passive spy-in-the-sky<em>.</em></p>
<p>Enter <strong>kenosis</strong>.</p>
<p>Kenosis means roughly &#8216;self-emptying&#8217;.  It is famously used of Christ in Phillippians 2, who &#8216;emptied&#8217; himself and took the form of a servant.  In the high Christology of this passage, Jesus remains &#8216;equal with God&#8217; and thus fully divine, even as he takes on an additional, fully human, nature.</p>
<p>All this talk of &#8216;kenosis&#8217; might sound all heady, but it&#8217;s actually far more ordinary than we may realise.  Beings with <em>limited</em> power do &#8216;kenosis&#8217; all the time.  When driving a car, do you push the gas pedal down as far as you can?  No &#8211; and for very good reasons.  Driving, after all, is not about the amount of pressure on the pedal, but about transportation from one place to another.  God, I&#8217;m convinced,<em>has</em> the power to make, say, mountains do really weird things, such as levitate and/or turn to vanilla custard.  But that would be a really bizzare use of his power, wouldn&#8217;t it?  So having power doesn&#8217;t always mean using it in this or that particular way.  An omnipotent being who is also patient and wise would restrict itself from acting in ways that are impatient and unwise.</p>
<p>Then there is <strong>delegation</strong>.</p>
<p>Delegation is, in a sense, a form of kenosis.  God limits himself not only by refraining from some actions, but by delegating them to his creation.  God made creation in such a way that it has its own power and creativity.  ((this is why arguments over evolution and abiogenesis are such a waste of time.  <em>So what</em> if God made nature so awesomely that it can make life from non-life!? What an amazing creation!!))  Under and within the sovereignty of the Creator, creation is imbued with the freedom and power to actually &#8216;do stuff&#8217;.  Uniquely, humans have an immense degree of this freedom and power to &#8216;do stuff&#8217;.  Of course we can &#8216;do stuff&#8217; that causes great good, and that causes great evil.</p>
<p>Again, lest this all sound a bit theoretical, think of any supervisor or parent or guardian you&#8217;ve ever had.  Ever had someone not only tell you what to do, but end up doing it for you?  How annoying!  Well, the God we glimpse in Jesus is not a micromanagerial, &#8216;autocratic&#8217; God.  But neither is God a &#8216;laissez faire&#8217; non-leader, who couldn&#8217;t care less what we do.  God is more a communicative/particpative God.   A God who created a free world with free humans.  A world which is very good, but also contains very real evil.  A world in which those free humans become unfortuantely not-free &#8211; enslaved by evil and sin.  But it is also a world in which God is patiently, participatively and persistently at work to free humans, and in turn make them agents of his freedom.</p>
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		<title>life: mess included</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 06:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>One of my favourite Proverbs is 14:4</p> <p>Where there are no oxen, the stall is clean, but from the strength of an ox comes an abundant harvest. </p> <p>In order to have a harvest, you&#8217;ll have to put up with a fair whack of crap!  I was thinking of this in relation to the problem of evil.  In order to have an <span style="color:#777"> . . . &#8594; Read More: <a href="http://www.fruitfulfaith.net/2012/02/life-mess-included/">life: mess included</a></span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my favourite Proverbs is 14:4</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Where there are no oxen, the stall is clean, </em><em>but from the strength of an ox comes an abundant harvest. </em></p></blockquote>
<p>In order to have a harvest, you&#8217;ll have to put up with a fair whack of crap!  I was thinking of this in relation to the problem of evil.  In order to have an existence where relationship and meaning are real, you&#8217;ll have to have genuine freedom and thus put up with evil and suffering.  I might put it in proverb form like this:</p>
<p><em>&#8220;Where there is no genuine freedom, the cosmos is void of evil and suffering;</em><em>but from the genuine freedom given to creation, comes the possibility of love, meaning and relationship.&#8221;</em></p>
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		<title>eavesdroppers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>I used to work in sales at a lumber yard, where we sold all kinds of (mostly residential) building materials from lumber, to paint, to plumbing, electrical supplies, hardware, doors/windows, roofing, power tools, etc.  I grew up working with quite a few of these things, as my Dad was a residential framer.  Nonetheless, there were various things I knew very <span style="color:#777"> . . . &#8594; Read More: <a href="http://www.fruitfulfaith.net/2012/01/eavesdroppers/">eavesdroppers</a></span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to work in sales at a lumber yard, where we sold all kinds of (mostly residential) building materials from lumber, to paint, to plumbing, electrical supplies, hardware, doors/windows, roofing, power tools, etc.  I grew up working with quite a few of these things, as my Dad was a residential framer.  Nonetheless, there were various things I knew very little about, having never used them.</p>
<p>Given a few years, however, listening to the advice given by co-workers, and listening to problems encountered (and solved) by customers, I &#8216;learned&#8217; how to answer common questions.  I had never put in a p-drain myself, but I learned how to answer most questions a customer would ask!  Even more humorous, I had a co-worker who had almost <em>no</em> hand-on experience with <em>anything</em> we sold &#8211; yet nonetheless, she too learned to answer the common questions (often word-for-word what her co-workers had said the day before!).</p>
<p>I think this kind of learning is fine for what it is, but in various discussions I have, I often feel that others are (and I&#8217;m guilty of) operating with &#8216;knowledge&#8217; they&#8217;ve gained from eavesdropping in this or that conversation or forum.  &#8221;Ohh, Aristotle was such and such&#8230;&#8221;, and &#8220;yeah, science has shown that&#8230;&#8221; or &#8220;Democracy was designed so that&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>This is the Wikipedia/Google-based knowledge that informs so many pool-of-ignorance building conversations.  People that know just a weeee little bit about a whole lot of things, pretending to be experts at it all.  &#8221;I remember seeing somewhere that&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>We&#8230; (cough) I&#8230; need to learn to just say, &#8220;I have no idea about that, to be honest.  Let&#8217;s both read up on it and get back to one another in [not 2 minutes, but...] a few weeks.&#8221;  Now <em>that</em> would just require far too much patience.</p>
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