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		<title>eavesdroppers</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 02:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>I used to work in sales at a lumber yard, where we sold all kinds of (mostly residential) building materials from lumber, to paint, to plumbing, electrical supplies, hardware, doors/windows, roofing, power tools, etc.  I grew up working with quite a few of these things, as my Dad was a residential framer.  Nonetheless, there were various things I knew very <span style="color:#777"> . . . &#8594; Read More: <a href="http://www.fruitfulfaith.net/2012/01/eavesdroppers/">eavesdroppers</a></span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to work in sales at a lumber yard, where we sold all kinds of (mostly residential) building materials from lumber, to paint, to plumbing, electrical supplies, hardware, doors/windows, roofing, power tools, etc.  I grew up working with quite a few of these things, as my Dad was a residential framer.  Nonetheless, there were various things I knew very little about, having never used them.</p>
<p>Given a few years, however, listening to the advice given by co-workers, and listening to problems encountered (and solved) by customers, I &#8216;learned&#8217; how to answer common questions.  I had never put in a p-drain myself, but I learned how to answer most questions a customer would ask!  Even more humorous, I had a co-worker who had almost <em>no</em> hand-on experience with <em>anything</em> we sold &#8211; yet nonetheless, she too learned to answer the common questions (often word-for-word what her co-workers had said the day before!).</p>
<p>I think this kind of learning is fine for what it is, but in various discussions I have, I often feel that others are (and I&#8217;m guilty of) operating with &#8216;knowledge&#8217; they&#8217;ve gained from eavesdropping in this or that conversation or forum.  &#8221;Ohh, Aristotle was such and such&#8230;&#8221;, and &#8220;yeah, science has shown that&#8230;&#8221; or &#8220;Democracy was designed so that&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>This is the Wikipedia/Google-based knowledge that informs so many pool-of-ignorance building conversations.  People that know just a weeee little bit about a whole lot of things, pretending to be experts at it all.  &#8221;I remember seeing somewhere that&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>We&#8230; (cough) I&#8230; need to learn to just say, &#8220;I have no idea about that, to be honest.  Let&#8217;s both read up on it and get back to one another in [not 2 minutes, but...] a few weeks.&#8221;  Now <em>that</em> would just require far too much patience.</p>
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		<title>patience&#8230;</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 01:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>With any discipline or line of enquiry, patience is a virtue.</p> <p>We must have patience regarding the amount we will ever be able to know about a given topic.  Whether your &#8216;-ology&#8217; is of &#8216;bios&#8217;, &#8216;theos&#8217;, or &#8216;cosmos&#8217;, it&#8217;s essential to remember that there will always be more questions.  For some, this is an enquiry-stopper.  &#8221;Heck, if we can&#8217;t know <span style="color:#777"> . . . &#8594; Read More: <a href="http://www.fruitfulfaith.net/2012/01/patience/">patience&#8230;</a></span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With any discipline or line of enquiry, patience is a virtue.</p>
<p>We must have patience regarding the amount we will ever be able to know about a given topic.  Whether your &#8216;-ology&#8217; is of &#8216;bios&#8217;, &#8216;theos&#8217;, or &#8216;cosmos&#8217;, it&#8217;s essential to remember that there will always be more questions.  For some, this is an enquiry-stopper.  &#8221;Heck, if we can&#8217;t know it all, why bother?&#8221;  For myself, however, this is invigorating!  More to learn!  More to think about!  More to consider!  Let&#8217;s get to it!</p>
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		<title>beings that have &#8211; or havers that are had</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 10:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>(The excellent documentary that got my brain going down this &#8211; excellent or not so excellent &#8211; train of thought is &#8216;Consumed: Inside the Belly of the Beast&#8216;)1</p> <p>Erich Fromm is known in large part for his contrast between the &#8216;being&#8217; and &#8216;having&#8217; modes of existence, as expressed in his 1976 book (partial preview here), To Have or To Be?  <span style="color:#777"> . . . &#8594; Read More: <a href="http://www.fruitfulfaith.net/2012/01/beings-or-havers/">beings that have &#8211; or havers that are had</a></span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(The excellent documentary that got my brain going down this &#8211; excellent or not so excellent &#8211; train of thought is &#8216;<a href="http://www.slackjaw.co.uk/consumed/">Consumed: Inside the Belly of the Beast</a>&#8216;)<sup><a href="http://www.fruitfulfaith.net/2012/01/beings-or-havers/#footnote_0_1700" id="identifier_0_1700" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="And no, I&amp;#8217;m not going to pretend I didn&amp;#8217;t notice the parallel language to John the Seer in chapters 17-18 of his Apocalypse!">1</a></sup></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Fromm">Erich Fromm</a> is known in large part for his contrast between the &#8216;being&#8217; and &#8216;having&#8217; modes of existence, as expressed in his 1976 book (partial preview <a href="http://books.google.co.nz/books?id=JvG85s966koC&amp;printsec=frontcover">here</a>), <em>To Have or To Be?</em>  The basic idea is that humans, having estranged ourselves from our environment or the other(s), try to restore this relationship either by way of some kind of dominating possession (&#8216;having&#8217;) of the other, or by way of relating to or existing (&#8216;being&#8217;) with the other.</p>
<p>The speculative thought I wanted to explore via blogging (one of blogging&#8217;s best uses) is thus: <strong>Only &#8216;beings&#8217; can actually &#8216;have&#8217;; and &#8216;havers&#8217; are actually &#8216;had&#8217; by the things they think they &#8216;have&#8217;.</strong></p>
<p>The <em>haver</em> is defined by the act of possession of the other, and is thus enslaved to his desire to <em>have</em> this other.  The <em>being</em>, however, is defined by, not possession, but relationship to other (and self), and is thus free of needing to <em>have</em> the other.</p>
<p>It is worth pausing and considering the many things we can desire to possess &#8211; the many things which can thus begin to possess us.  Status.  Wealth.  Comfort.  Knowledge.  Satisfaction.  Power.  Relationships.  Affection.  I reckon all of these things are good things which are nonetheless distorted when we seek to found our <em>being</em> upon <em>having</em> them.  i.e. &#8220;I <em>am</em> one who <em>has</em> knowledge, friends, wealth, etc.&#8221;</p>
<p>I believe the ultimate <em>Being</em> is the Creator, whose ontological (Gk. <em>ontos</em> = being/existence) status is wholly distinct from, and transcendent of, our world.  The Creator did not need to <em>have</em> a creation<sup><a href="http://www.fruitfulfaith.net/2012/01/beings-or-havers/#footnote_1_1700" id="identifier_1_1700" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="which would make the Creator contingent upon the creation!!">2</a></sup>, but rather simply <em>is</em> a creative <em>Being</em>, and thus a) relates to creation as <em>being </em>the Creator, and b) therefore truly <em>has</em> it.</p>
<p>Thus, we most reflect this ultimate <em>Being</em> when our <em>being</em> is grounded by relationship to the other, rather than established by possession of the other.</p>
<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_1700" class="footnote">And no, I&#8217;m not going to pretend I didn&#8217;t notice the parallel language to John the Seer in chapters 17-18 of his Apocalypse!</li><li id="footnote_1_1700" class="footnote">which would make the Creator contingent upon the creation!!</li></ol>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>a trinity of &#8216;knowledge-lights&#8217;&#8230;</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Epistemology is the most foundational of topics in philosophy.  How trustworthy is human knowledge?  Or worded another way: How much ‘faith’ (Greek ‘pistis’ for ‘trust’) can we put in what we think we know?  At one end of the spectrum, you have narrow, ‘verificationist’ epistemologies (such as: logical positivism &#38; naive realism) that only trust knowledge that can be ‘verified’ by <span style="color:#777"> . . . &#8594; Read More: <a href="http://www.fruitfulfaith.net/2011/11/a-trinity-of-knowledge-lights/">a trinity of &#8216;knowledge-lights&#8217;&#8230;</a></span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Epistemology is the most foundational of topics in philosophy.  How trustworthy is human knowledge?  Or worded another way: How much ‘faith’ (Greek <em>‘pistis’ </em>for ‘trust’) can we put in what we think we know?  At one end of the spectrum, you have narrow, ‘verificationist’ epistemologies (such as: logical positivism &amp; naive realism) that only trust knowledge that can be ‘verified’ by empirical methods.  At the other, you have skeptical ‘post modern’ epistemologies (such as the phenomenalism of Maurice Merleau-Ponty &#8211; <em>The Phenomenology of Perception</em>) which hold that all we can truly ‘know’ is the ‘sense data’ of our perceptions.In his book, <em>The New Testament and the People of God,</em> N.T. Wright follows the thought of renowned Catholic philosopher Bernard Lonergan (particularly his Generalised Empirical Method) discussing a kind of middle-way between positivism and phenomenalism: ‘critical realism’.  Elsewhere, he has described an ‘epistemology of love’, where love is that which a) respects the ‘otherness’ of the other, while at the same time b) remaining in rich subjective relationship to it.  Critical realism is first critical in that it is aware of its potential for self-deception and the distortion of perception, but it is not so critical that it does not take the second post-critical step of then daring to describe the reality it believes it actually ‘knows’.</p>
<p>I’ve been recently intrigued, however, by a talk on Epistemology by Mark Strom (audio <a title="Mark Strom on Epistemology" href="http://admin.resonate.org.nz/media/1562" target="_blank">here</a>) where he claims that <em>all </em>human knowledge involves not only acts of love, but also faith and hope.  I find this <em>really</em> compelling.  Our knowledge of any activity, person, principle or thing involves faith, hope and love &#8211; in some form, and at some level.</p>
<p>Scientific knowledge, for an interesting example, involves all three.  The natural scientist must first have faith (Greek <em>pistis</em>, meaning ‘trust’) that his object of study, the natural world, will, under the exact same conditions, always behave exactly the same way in the present and future as we’ve observed it to in the past.  She also hopes that the hunch followed will be fruitful, that the experiment designed will be sufficient, and that the knowledge gained will be helpful and worthwhile. And finally, there is also love &#8211; the relational dynamism between a subject and object; in the case of science, between the observer and the observed, the cosmologist and the cosmos, the neurologist and the neurons.</p>
<p><em>Faith, hope and love</em> (I thought for a few minutes today), then can be thought of as the ‘vehicles’ by which knowledge comes to us.  However, this, I decided, is too anthropocentric a metaphor.  Better to see them as ‘lights’ by which we are enabled to ‘see’ Truth.  But of course, this vision remains imperfect, blurry and ‘dim’…</p>
<p><strong>Love never ends. Prophecies? They will be set aside. Tongues? They will cease. <em>Knowledge? It will be set aside</em>.</strong><strong><em> </em><em>For we know in part</em>, and we prophesy in part, but when what is perfect comes, the partial will be set aside. When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. But when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then we will see face to face. <em>Now I know in part, but then I will know fully, just as I have been fully known</em>. </strong><strong>And now these three remain: faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love.”</strong> &#8211; Paul’s first letter to the Corinthians 13:8-13</p>
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		<title>kalam criticism</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2011 12:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>The Bill Craig version of the Kalam Cosmological Argument goes like this:</p> <p>p1. Whatever begins to exist has a cause. p2. The universe began to exist. c. The universe has a cause.</p> <p>Some have put forward the objection(s) that we&#8217;ve never observed anything &#8216;come into existence&#8217; in the sense of &#8216;ex nihilo&#8217; (out of nothing).  Everything that we might normally <span style="color:#777"> . . . &#8594; Read More: <a href="http://www.fruitfulfaith.net/2011/04/kalam-criticism/">kalam criticism</a></span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Bill Craig version of the Kalam Cosmological Argument goes like this:</p>
<p>p1. Whatever begins to exist has a cause.<br />
p2. The universe began to exist.<br />
c. The universe has a cause.</p>
<p>Some have put forward the objection(s) that we&#8217;ve never observed anything &#8216;come into existence&#8217; in the sense of &#8216;ex nihilo&#8217; (out of nothing).   Everything that we might normally think of as a freshly existing object has not come into existence &#8216;ex nihilo&#8217;, but from prior existing materials.  Premise 1 and 2 thus become the same point, and the &#8216;argument&#8217; becomes an assertion.</p>
<p>I think I agree.</p>
<p>If we divide &#8220;coming into existence&#8221; into the senses of a) from prior-existing things and b) from non-existence, then it seems to me (I&#8217;m happy to be shown wrong?) that Craig&#8217;s form of the argument involves either an error of repetition (collapses into an assertion) or an error of irrelevance (leaves out other premises):</p>
<p>The repetitive error could be stated as such:</p>
<p>p1. Whatever (the only possible thing is the universe) begins to exist (from non-existence) has a cause.<br />
p2. The universe (i.e. the only possible thing that could begin to exist from non-existence) began to exist.<br />
c. The universe has a cause.</p>
<p>The irrelevant error could be stated as such:</p>
<p>p1. Whatever begins to exist (from prior existing things) have a (shaping kind of) cause.<br />
p2. The universe began to exist (from non-existence).<br />
c. The universe has a (??? kind of) cause.</p>
<p>* * *</p>
<p>And now for a completely random attempt by yours truly at constructing an argument which gets to the same conclusion by a different route&#8230; (which turns out to be an adaptation of Aristotle)</p>
<p>p1. In any possible world, a mobile is contingent upon a mover (which itself may be moved).<br />
p2. In any possible world, an infinite number of moved movers is impossible.<br />
c. Therefore, all mobiles, including moved movers (i.e. the universe), are contingent upon an unmoved mover.</p>
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		<title>methinks no telos in evolution</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2011 05:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>My &#8216;techno-skepto&#8217; mate, Damian, has posted an updated version of his funky cool little evolving tool.  Head over and have a play with the numbers (offspring &#38; mutation rate) and the target phrase.</p> <p></p> ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My &#8216;techno-skepto&#8217; mate, Damian, has <a href="http://damian.peterson.net.nz/2011/03/18/methinks-it-is-still-like-a-weasel/">posted</a> an updated version of his funky cool little evolving tool.  Head over and have a play with the numbers (offspring &amp; mutation rate) and the target phrase.</p>
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		<title>for all</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 20:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>James Chastek points out that the authors of Scripture were not constructing a body of &#8216;evidence&#8217; for God, but rather relating their testimony of things they were witnesses to.  He remarks, &#8220;Christ, for one, was chiefly interested in making sure that he would have continual witnesses on earth, not that there would be any careful documentation of what he did <span style="color:#777"> . . . &#8594; Read More: <a href="http://www.fruitfulfaith.net/2011/02/for-all/">for all</a></span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James Chastek <a href="http://thomism.wordpress.com/2011/02/06/evidence-rhetorical-style-and-testimony/">points out</a> that the authors of Scripture were not constructing a body of &#8216;evidence&#8217; for God, but rather relating their testimony of things they were witnesses to.  He remarks, &#8220;Christ, for one, was chiefly interested in making sure that he would  have continual witnesses on earth, not that there would be any careful  documentation of what he did or incontrovertible evidence that he did  it.  [...] It is not obvious that founding everything on a monument, a DNA finding,  a more meticulous Hebrew census-taking, etc. would be a better way to  go.&#8221;</p>
<p>And it occurs to me that founding the faith on <em>personal testimony</em> instead of &#8216;evidence&#8217; (i.e. &#8220;a monument, a DNA finding, a more meticulous Hebrew census-taking, etc.&#8221;) is more fitting of a God who wishes to be known to any and all <em>persons</em> and not only to archaeologists, geneticists, and historians.</p>
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		<title>the nature of nature</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 20:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Most popular level &#8216;arguments for God&#8217; are based on the &#8216;art/artisan&#8217; analogy, which is probably dismissed a little to easily at times.  But nature can still quite rightly and easily seen to be God&#8217;s creation even if it was not &#8216;artificially&#8216; designed.  Artifacts are designed by an artisan, and &#8216;natural&#8217; things have a mystifying yet lawful and consistent character of <span style="color:#777"> . . . &#8594; Read More: <a href="http://www.fruitfulfaith.net/2011/02/the-nature-of-nature/">the nature of nature</a></span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most popular level &#8216;arguments for God&#8217; are based on the &#8216;art/artisan&#8217; analogy, which is probably dismissed a little to easily at times.  But nature can still quite rightly and easily seen to be God&#8217;s creation even if it was not &#8216;<a href="http://thomism.wordpress.com/2011/02/04/matter-1/">artificially</a>&#8216; <a href="http://thomism.wordpress.com/2011/02/05/matter-2/">designed</a>.  Artifacts are designed by an artisan, and &#8216;natural&#8217; things have a mystifying yet lawful and consistent character of having ability to do what they do.  The question is: why is nature like it is?  Even a complete understanding of abiogenesis would still leave the question: how did those things get the power to come together and become living?  Which reminds me of a striking question to put to the so-called &#8216;design theorists&#8217;: Wouldn&#8217;t God be smart enough to make a nature that could actually <em>do</em> stuff?</p>
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		<title>ethical being</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 10:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Pardon the double negative, but it&#8217;s not for no reason that the title of philosopher, author and atheist, Dr. Erik J. Wielenberg&#8217;s article in a recent issue of the American Theological Inquiry (yes, a theological journal published an article by an atheist) is called &#8220;OBJECTIVE MORALITY AND THE NATURE OF REALITY&#8221;.  Views of morality and reality are inseparable.  Ontology is <span style="color:#777"> . . . &#8594; Read More: <a href="http://www.fruitfulfaith.net/2011/02/ethical-being/">ethical being</a></span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pardon the double negative, but it&#8217;s not for no reason that the title of philosopher, author and atheist, Dr. Erik J. Wielenberg&#8217;s article in a recent <a href="http://atijournal.org/Vol3No2.htm">issue</a> of the American Theological Inquiry (yes, a theological journal published an article by an atheist) is called &#8220;OBJECTIVE MORALITY AND THE NATURE OF REALITY&#8221;.  Views of morality and reality are inseparable.  Ontology is logically prior to ethics.  One&#8217;s views on &#8216;ought&#8217; are based on one&#8217;s views on &#8216;is&#8217;. <sup><a href="http://www.fruitfulfaith.net/2011/02/ethical-being/#footnote_0_1618" id="identifier_0_1618" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="I should say before going further that not all atheists argue for &amp;#8216;objective&amp;#8217; morality.&nbsp; Many happily admit that it is subjective.&nbsp; Here I&amp;#8217;m only interacting with those atheists who, like Wielenberg, argue for objective morality.">1</a></sup></p>
<p>My claim is this: It seems to me that atheism is characterised by a <em>circular ontology</em> &#8211; both <em>quantitatively </em>and <em>qualitatively.</em></p>
<p>First, <strong>Atheistic Quantitative Ontology</strong> is circular in that it is <strong>self-referential.</strong> The arrow of logical explanation does  not point beyond reality to an other, but turns back onto itself.  Ultimate explanation rests in nature it<strong><em>self</em></strong> and not in any <em><strong>other</strong></em> entity.  Reality as a whole (whether we call it nature, the universe or the multiverse) doesn&#8217;t need anything &#8216;else&#8217; besides it<em><strong>self</strong></em> to be completely, fully and finally &#8216;explained&#8217;, and reality is <em><strong>self</strong></em>-caused, <em><strong>self</strong></em>-originating and <em><strong>self</strong></em>-ordered.  Sagan transposed the Judeo-Christian meaning of the name YHWH into a naturalistic key with the assertion &#8220;The universe is all that there is, all there ever was, and all that there ever will be.&#8221;  Self-existent reality is also self-explanatory.  The lid of reality is closed. <sup><a href="http://www.fruitfulfaith.net/2011/02/ethical-being/#footnote_1_1618" id="identifier_1_1618" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="Humble atheists will acknowledge that because proving a negative is impossible, they cannot absolutely rule out a G(g)od, but they confidently assert that reality is fully &amp;#8216;explained&amp;#8217; (&amp;#8216;or at least can be in principle&amp;#8217; some will say) without recourse to any kind of G(g)od.">2</a></sup></p>
<p>Second, <strong>Atheistic Qualitative Ontology </strong>(a la Wielenberg) is circular and self-referential in that it claims that basic moral value is self-explanatory, or to use langauge more proper to the field of ethics, that it needs no foundation (!!!).  Here&#8217;s some relevant excerpts from his article:</p>
<blockquote><p>Objective morality, on this view, has no foundation external to <em>itself</em>. (p77, emphasis mine)</p>
<p>I propose, then, that objective morality rests on a foundation composed of brute ethical facts. Such ethical facts are foundational in at least two senses. First, they are ontologically foundational. By this, I mean that they have no explanation outside of themselves; no further facts make them true. Second, they are epistemologically foundational. By this, I mean that they can be known to be true in a direct way; they need not be inferred from other things that we know. (p79)</p>
<p>&#8230;moral properties (such as goodness) supervene or depend upon non-moral properties. Thus, if a given entity is good, it is good in virtue of or because of certain non-moral properties of that entity. Pleasure, for instance, is good because of the qualitative feel that pleasure has. Persons are valuable, and possess certain rights, because of certain capacities they have—for instance, the capacity to experience pain, and to reason. (p80)</p>
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<p>The last quotation is particularly revealing of this qualitative ontological circularity.<em></em> Pleasure is said to be &#8216;good&#8217; (the most basic or foundational of qualitative, ontological judgments!) simply because of &#8216;the qualitative feel&#8217; it has.  In other words, pleasure is good because it is pleasurable.  The foundation for the qualitative value is the qualitative judgment itself.  He expands on this later in the article, laying out this &#8220;brute ethical fact&#8221;:</p>
<blockquote><p>Necessarily, any being that can reason, suffer, experience happiness, tell the difference between right and wrong, choose between right and wrong, and set goals for itself has certain rights, including the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and certain obligations, including the duty to refrain from rape (in typical circumstances).</p>
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<p>Not only are &#8216;right and wrong&#8217; (which the said being is meant to distinguish between!) undefined (which is the entire point of the wider discussion), but he also fails to explain why or how entities with &#8216;the capacity to experience pain, and to reason&#8217; come to have &#8216;rights&#8217; and &#8216;obligations&#8217;.</p>
<p>In summary of what became a longer post than intended:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Atheistic <em>Quantitative</em> Ontology</strong> asserts that reality &#8220;just is&#8221;</li>
<li><strong>Atheistic <em>Qualitative</em> Ontology</strong> asserts that certain things are &#8220;just good&#8221;</li>
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<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_1618" class="footnote">I should say before going further that not all atheists argue for &#8216;objective&#8217; morality.  Many happily admit that it is subjective.  Here I&#8217;m only interacting with those atheists who, like Wielenberg, argue for objective morality.</li><li id="footnote_1_1618" class="footnote">Humble atheists will acknowledge that because proving a negative is impossible, they cannot absolutely rule out a G(g)od, but they confidently assert that reality is fully &#8216;explained&#8217; (&#8216;or at least can be in principle&#8217; some will say) without recourse to any kind of G(g)od.</li></ol>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>mother nature as killer</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 10:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>The notion is reflected commonly in popular discourse.  Humans wreck the planet and the earth, the universe, or nature &#8216;fights back&#8217;.  Noah&#8217;s flood, local or global is nothing compared to what our angry step-mother-nature will do if we don&#8217;t change our ways and look after the planet better&#8230; Makes an entertaining novel, movie, etc.</p> <p>Because in our culture, we are <span style="color:#777"> . . . &#8594; Read More: <a href="http://www.fruitfulfaith.net/2011/01/mother-nature-as-killer/">mother nature as killer</a></span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The notion is reflected commonly in popular discourse.  Humans wreck the planet and the earth, the universe, or nature &#8216;fights back&#8217;.  Noah&#8217;s flood, local or global is nothing compared to what our angry step-mother-nature will do if we don&#8217;t change our ways and look after the planet better&#8230; Makes an entertaining novel, movie, etc.</p>
<p>Because in our culture, we are quite OK with the idea of nature (which has no personality, intentions or consciousness!) being the judge of humanity; but as for God (who is personal, intentional and omniscient), that is simply not acceptable&#8230;</p>
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